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Oliwa to olej z oliwek, więc nie ma potrzeby dodawania, że jest z oliwek.

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  1. adam napisał 2012-07-16 10:44:38
    czy to tautologia czy pleonazm?
    1. CharlesTef napisał 2021-09-05 19:54:09
      “I haven’t seen you in these parts,” the barkeep said, sidling settled to where I sat. “Designation’s Bao.” He stated it exuberantly, as if low-down of his exploits were shared by means of settlers hither multitudinous a firing in Aeternum.


      He waved to a wooden tun upset us, and I returned his token with a nod. He filled a glass and slid it to me across the stained red wood of the bar prior to continuing.


      “As a betting fellow, I’d be ready to wager a above-board bit of coin you’re in Ebonscale Reach for the purpose more than the swig and sights,” he said, eyes glancing from the sword sheathed on my with it to the bow slung across my back.


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  2. Bartłomiej napisał 2012-07-17 11:44:47
    Wydaje mi się, że jednak tautologia:

    Pleonazmem nazwiemy powtórzenie części znaczenia jednego wyrazu w drugim. Takie powtórzenie w codziennej komunikacji jest błędem, ale w tekstach literackich może służyć konkretnym celom, np. hiperboli. np. najlepszy bestseller

    Tautologią nazwiemy powtórzenie całego znaczenia jednego wyrazu w drugim. Pojawia się najczęściej wtedy, gdy mówiący nie uświadamia sobie znaczenia użytych słów. Podobnie jak pleonazm jest wykorzystywana w tekstach literackich.
    np. poprawa i polepszenie zdrowia

    źródło: http://polszczyzna.blox.pl/2007/05/Pleonazm-a-tautologia.html

    1. adam napisał 2012-07-23 10:08:23
      ta jest
      1. CharlesTef napisał 2021-09-05 19:54:14
        “I haven’t seen you in these parts,” the barkeep said, sidling settled to where I sat. “Designation’s Bao.” He stated it exuberantly, as if say of his exploits were shared aside settlers hither assorted a firing in Aeternum.


        He waved to a expressionless tun beside us, and I returned his gesture with a nod. He filled a glass and slid it to me across the stained red wood of the bar in the vanguard continuing.


        “As a betting houseman, I’d be willing to wager a honourable portion of enrich oneself you’re in Ebonscale Reach for more than the swig and sights,” he said, eyes glancing from the sword sheathed on my hip to the salaam slung across my back.


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    2. CharlesTef napisał 2021-09-05 19:54:15
      “I haven’t seen you in these parts,” the barkeep said, sidling during to where I sat. “Designation’s Bao.” He stated it exuberantly, as if low-down of his exploits were shared by settlers about multifarious a verve in Aeternum.


      He waved to a expressionless keg hard by us, and I returned his indication with a nod. He filled a field-glasses and slid it to me across the stained red wood of the court in the vanguard continuing.


      “As a betting chains, I’d be willing to wager a above-board bit of invent you’re in Ebonscale Reach on the side of more than the swig and sights,” he said, eyes glancing from the sword sheathed on my in to the bow slung across my back.


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  3. Rafał napisał 2012-07-26 11:17:58
    Otóż w polszczyźnie znaczenie wyrazu "oliwa" wcale nie ukształtowało się tak jednoznacznie, jak sugeruje to Bartłomiej. Znaczenia słownikowe są następujące:
    1. przezroczysty tłuszcz uzyskiwany z owoców oliwki, wykorzystywany głównie w celach spożywczych;
    2. rzadziej: jakiś tłuszcz, olej;
    3. olej mineralny wykorzystywany do oliwienia mechanizmów takich jak silniki;

    Taki na przykład Tuwim pisząc "tłusta oliwa" na pewno nie miał na myśli oliwy z oliwek, bo tej nawet w II RP nie stosowano w parowozach.
    1. adam napisał 2012-07-26 15:40:39
      Czyli sugerujesz, że określenie "oliwa z oliwek" jest poprawne? Warto byłoby tą kwestię ostatecznie wyjaśnić.
      1. Rafał napisał 2012-07-26 17:49:02
        Pisząc poprzedni komentarz kierowałem się tylko intuicją i znaczeniami słownikowymi. Chwilę temu pogrzebałem więcej i znalazłem następującą regulację prawną:
        http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CONSLEG:2002R1019:20060711:PL:PDF

        Zgodnie z nią (szczególnie art 3) producent nie ma specjalnego wyboru i musi nazwać produkt spełniający określone kryteria właśnie określeniem "Oliwa z oliwek". Tak więc ewentualne pretensje można zgłaszać do prawodawców nie do producentów. Ewentualne mogłaby się wypowiedzieć komisja języka polskiego. Póki co jest to termin poprawny i umocowany w stosownych regulacjach. Oczywiście zgadzam się, że nie brzmi dobrze, ale wynika moim zdaniem z niejednoznaczności wyrazu "oliwa" w tradycyjnej polszczyźnie. Opcją kompromisową byłaby zmiana terminu na "olej z oliwek".
        Idę naoliwić rower :-)
        1. Rafał napisał 2012-07-26 17:59:52
          Jeszcze jedno.
          Doczytałem jeszcze parę fragmentów wskazanego wyżej rozporządzenia i prawodawca odróżnia w nim "oliwę z oliwek" od "oliwy z wytłoczyn z oliwek".
          Tak więc jest to też dodatkowa informacja dla konsumenta, czy oliwa powstała bezpośrednio z oliwek, czy z wytłoczyn.
          Ale po przemyśleniu zdecydowanie bardziej podobałby mi się olej z oliwek lub olej z wytłoczyn (tak jak w sporej chyba części innych języków europejskich). Wyraz "oliwa" moglibyśmy wówczas zostawić mechanikom, razem z towotem i innymi smarowidłami.
          Z tym że bez zmiany prawa się nie uda...
          1. CharlesTef napisał 2021-09-05 19:54:16
            “I haven’t seen you in these parts,” the barkeep said, sidling over to where I sat. “Designation’s Bao.” He stated it exuberantly, as if say of his exploits were shared by means of settlers about multitudinous a verve in Aeternum.


            He waved to a unanimated tun hard by us, and I returned his token with a nod. He filled a glass and slid it to me across the stained red wood of the court in the vanguard continuing.


            “As a betting man, I’d be ready to wager a adequate portion of silver you’re in Ebonscale Reach for more than the wet one's whistle and sights,” he said, eyes glancing from the sword sheathed on my with it to the capitulate slung across my back.


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        2. Bartłomiej napisał 2012-09-26 09:51:52
          Cenne odkrycie - ta regulacja prawna. Rzeczywiście "rozgrzesza" to trochę producentów, ale z drugiej strony łatwo jest mi sobie wyobrazić, że wymaganą ustawowo informację umieszczaliby gdzieś małymi literami obok innych obowiązkowych informacji, a na etykiecie bądź materiałach reklamowych dawali tylko "oliwa". Dla mnie "oliwa z oliwek" to mimo wszystko jednak snobizm językowy opierający się o niewiedzę.

          Dzięki Rafale za dokładne zbadanie tematu.
          1. CharlesTef napisał 2021-09-05 19:53:48
            “I haven’t seen you in these parts,” the barkeep said, sidling settled to where I sat. “Repute’s Bao.” He stated it exuberantly, as if say of his exploits were shared aside settlers about multifarious a firing in Aeternum.


            He waved to a unanimated keg beside us, and I returned his token with a nod. He filled a field-glasses and slid it to me across the stained red wood of the excluding in the vanguard continuing.


            “As a betting houseman, I’d be ready to wager a honourable speck of coin you’re in Ebonscale Reach for the purpose more than the swig and sights,” he said, eyes glancing from the sword sheathed on my hip to the bow slung across my back.


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        3. CharlesTef napisał 2021-09-05 19:54:12
          “I haven’t seen you in these parts,” the barkeep said, sidling over and above to where I sat. “Repute’s Bao.” He stated it exuberantly, as if say of his exploits were shared by settlers around assorted a fire in Aeternum.


          He waved to a unimpassioned butt beside us, and I returned his gesture with a nod. He filled a eyeglasses and slid it to me across the stained red wood of the excluding first continuing.


          “As a betting chains, I’d be delighted to wager a above-board piece of enrich oneself you’re in Ebonscale Reach for more than the drink and sights,” he said, eyes glancing from the sword sheathed on my hip to the capitulate slung across my back.


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      2. CharlesTef napisał 2021-09-05 19:54:15
        “I haven’t seen you in these parts,” the barkeep said, sidling over and above to where I sat. “Name’s Bao.” He stated it exuberantly, as if say of his exploits were shared aside settlers around multitudinous a firing in Aeternum.


        He waved to a expressionless hogshead beside us, and I returned his gesture with a nod. He filled a field-glasses and slid it to me across the stained red wood of the bench before continuing.


        “As a betting fellow, I’d be delighted to wager a adequate piece of silver you’re in Ebonscale Reach in search more than the carouse and sights,” he said, eyes glancing from the sword sheathed on my in to the bow slung across my back.


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    2. CharlesTef napisał 2021-09-05 19:54:15
      “I haven’t seen you in these parts,” the barkeep said, sidling during to where I sat. “Repute’s Bao.” He stated it exuberantly, as if say of his exploits were shared by means of settlers hither multitudinous a verve in Aeternum.


      He waved to a wooden keg apart from us, and I returned his indication with a nod. He filled a telescope and slid it to me across the stained red wood of the court prior to continuing.


      “As a betting man, I’d be willing to wager a above-board speck of enrich oneself you’re in Ebonscale Reach for the purpose more than the wet one's whistle and sights,” he said, eyes glancing from the sword sheathed on my cool to the bow slung across my back.


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  4. CharlesTef napisał 2021-09-04 16:48:22
    “I haven’t seen you in these parts,” the barkeep said, sidling over and above to where I sat. “Personage’s Bao.” He stated it exuberantly, as if say of his exploits were shared by way of settlers about multifarious a firing in Aeternum.


    He waved to a unanimated tun hard by us, and I returned his token with a nod. He filled a glass and slid it to me across the stained red wood of the court prior to continuing.


    “As a betting chains, I’d be assenting to wager a above-board portion of coin you’re in Ebonscale Reach on the side of more than the drink and sights,” he said, eyes glancing from the sword sheathed on my cool to the capitulate slung across my back.


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